/11 commission as a, quote, an all-out secret effort to persuade the taliban to expel bin laden. now, as we know, bin laden was not expelled. three months later, the bin laden wrath was unleashed with the attack on our embassies. did you advise senator director tenet and national security adviser berger against this operation and if so why? >> i had conversation with george tenet at the time. but i must point out, senator, that every single cia manager, george tenet, his deputy, the head of the director of operations at the time, chief of the counterterrorism center argued against that operation, as well. because it was not well grounded in intelligence and it chance of success were minimal. minimal. and it was likely that other individuals were going to be kilned. and so, when i was involved in those discussions, i provided the director and others my programal advice of whether or not i thought that that operation should go forward. i also was engaged in discussions with saudi arabia government at the time and encouraged certain actions to be taken to put pressure on the taliban and bin laden.